Interview with Akbar Ahmed
(print version)
Akbar Ahmed is
the Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies at
American University. He has recently returned
from a tour of several Islamic countries to
learn what Muslims think and how they view
America. His report, supported by the Brookings
Institution, the Pew Forum on Religion and
Public Life, and American University, was
published by The Brookings Institution in April
2007.
Collias: You have
written about the failure of the Muslim world to
come to terms with modernity. What impact could
this have on the global economy of the 21st
century?
Ahmed: Many Muslims are rejecting modernity as a
reaction to what they see as injustices towards
the Muslim world or Islam. For my project ‘Islam
in the Age of Globalization’, I traveled with my
young students and research assistants to try to
understand what Muslims around the world are
saying, who they are following and how they feel
about the West and modernity. We found in our
travels that many Muslims are rejecting
modernity and saying that they want to be
exclusivist and draw borders around Islam, so to
speak. They feel that Islam in being threatened
and that they must do everything they can to
preserve and protect the traditions in Islam.
I have written about this extensively, for
example, in Islam Under Siege: Living
Dangerously in a Post-Honor World. I point out
that many societies simultaneously feel under
attack. The Israelis feel threatened by their
Muslim neighbors. Muslims around the world feel
threatened in the war on terror. The U.S. feels
under siege after 9/11, and so on. This feeling
of imminent peril has led to both defensive and
aggressive actions on the part of these
societies.
In speaking of the failures of the Muslim world,
we must not forget to mention the struggle in
promoting genuine democracy. After September 11,
we found ourselves faced with tough questions:
Is Islam compatible with democracy? Are there
any democratic leaders in Islam? The answer to
both of course is yes. One example is the
founder of Pakistan (at the time in 1947 the
largest Muslim country), Mr. Jinnah, the
Quaid-e-Azam. It would behoove both the U.S. and
the Muslim world to take a look at Jinnah for
his example answers the questions raised above.
Jinnah can be a point of contact between the
Muslim world and the West.
Collias: Are there
specific features of Islamic society that act as
obstacles to Muslims becoming full members of
the 21st century globalized world?
Ahmed: There is a highly developed sense of
justice in Islam. When Muslims see the lack of
justice in the world, they are aggravated and
many lean toward a brand of Islam that rejects
the West and conflates the West and modernity,
thereby rejecting the newly globalized world. We
saw this again and again during the research
trip through the Muslim world. Examples that
were given were the Palestinian situation,
Chechnya, Abu Ghraib, Kashmir--and that doesn’t
include the harsh rhetoric being played
endlessly in the media. Now you have a range of
activity throughout the Muslim world from the
Taliban in Afghanistan to the Wahhabis in Saudi
Arabia which is exclusivist in approach.
Collias: What roles can
young Americans play to bridge the gap
between the United States and the Muslim world?
Ahmed: I have been pushing the young to go out
and become the real ambassadors from America.
The youth are the ones who should be tagged to
go out and represent the United States to the
rest of the world. They are American, love
America and can represent the true values of the
U.S. instead of letting foreign policy dictate
what the rest of the world thinks about America.
On my trip, a group of young Americans
accompanied me through 8 different countries.
While we did encounter high levels of
anti-American feelings, these feelings softened
as we talked with them.
We went to mosques, madrasas, community centers
and universities. For some of the people that we
encountered, these were the first Americans that
they had ever seen in person. Previously, their
image of America was only what they saw on their
news—bombs and tanks. I watched these young
Americans stand up in front of hundreds of
aggressive bearded men or frustrated university
students and speak without fear and with great
compassion. The atmosphere would change
immediately. Friendship and understanding would
often follow. I write about this in my
forthcoming book Journey into Islam: The Crisis
of Globalization. My team and I met with
presidents, politicians, religious leaders,
community leaders and ordinary Muslims to learn
how they feel about the West, globalization and
their own society. It was fascinating because
the views of the ordinary Muslim on the street
are rarely--if ever--heard, so we are able offer
a unique view of globalization in the Islamic
world and the reaction to the changes taking
place.
Collias: You have
suggested a “dialogue of civilizations” as a
more successful approach than “clash of
civilizations” when attempting to understand the
relationship of Islam with the West. Why?
Ahmed: The clash exists because it has existed
for a thousand years. We have had the centuries
of the Crusades and then of European
colonization spanning over a thousand years of
history, which has made for a complex and
difficult relationship between Islam and the
West. But we have also had great periods of
harmony, cultural synthesis and interaction of
ideas.
The problem with the “clash of civilization”
theory is that it can end up as a
self-fulfilling prophecy if we let it. Which
side wins out in the future will depend largely
on the United States of America and its
political leaders. If they continue what they
are doing now, then the success of the religious
parties in Muslim societies is guaranteed,
because the errors being made by the United
States in its foreign policy ensure the
emergence and consolidation of the exclusivist
groups. The continuation of grievances in
countries like Iraq, Afghanistan and now Lebanon
expand the breeding ground for terrorists to
recruit more people to their cause. This comes
at great cost to Islam because it is ultimately
a religion of balance and compassion. But all
this is now being affected by the men of
violence and emotion.
If the United States is able to understand this
equation, maybe it will change its policy and
help Islam regain its balance, which will calm
the Muslim world and, therefore, the rest of the
world. If that doesn't happen, if we see the
continuation of the clash of civilizations
theory and its implementation, we will almost
certainly see the emergence and consolidation of
the exclusivists. Then, we will all be in for a
violent, troublesome and uncertain 21st century.
So we really need to ask: Has the clash theory,
which has so far dominated foreign policy in the
United States, really succeeded? Has it gotten
us what we wanted or should we now explore an
alternative paradigm?
Collias: Nearly
twenty-five percent of the world’s people are
Muslim. What might be the major impact of Islam
on 21st century global politics and economic
relations?
Ahmed: It is crucial for the world to come to
terms with Islam. If one of every four people in
the world will soon be Muslim and we are without
understanding of each other’s religion and
culture, then the clash of cultures thesis will
win out. The effect will be devastating and the
conflict will be perpetual. We cannot afford to
let this happen.
The 21st century will be the century of Islam.
The importance of understanding the Muslim world
should be evident; there are 1.4 billion Muslims
worldwide, 7 million in the United States, 57
Muslims states, at least one with nuclear
capabilities. There are American troops fighting
in Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries with
Muslim populations. The United States’ most
important allies in the war on terror are Muslim
nations. If the Muslim population is indeed
growing as fast as we believe, then the
relationship between the West and the Muslim
world will grow more and more intimate. The
United States must stay true to the ideals that
have made it a superpower—democracy, justice and
compassion. If these ideals are emphasized, then
the relationship with the large Muslim
population will grow to mutual respect.
Muslims must also rediscover their ideals—ilm,
knowledge, ihsan, balance and compassion
and adl, justice. We must remind our young of
the saying of the prophet of Islam, “The ink of
the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the
martyr”.
If we are able to find the common ground between
the faiths, learn about each others and work
together on issues such as terrorism, global
warming, genuine democracy in the Muslim world,
etc. then we may be able to avert a clash of
cultures.
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